Why Everyone’s Moving to Idaho - A Candid Conversation with Governor Brad Little | Ever Onward - Ep. 108

In this exclusive episode of the Ever Onward Podcast, recorded inside the Idaho State Capitol, Governor Brad Little sits down for an in-depth conversation on leadership, economic growth, workforce development, education, and the future of the great state of Idaho.

Governor Little shares behind-the-scenes insight from the start of the legislative session, including budget priorities, tax policy, public safety, infrastructure, and the long-term strategy that has helped Idaho become one of the fastest-growing and most economically resilient states in America. We discuss how Idaho is attracting high-paying jobs, strengthening career and technical education, and keeping young people in the state through programs like LAUNCH, workforce training, and skilled trades investment.

The conversation also dives into family values, faith, heritage, and the personal side of leadership — from Governor Little’s deep agricultural roots and multigenerational Idaho history to his role as a husband, grandfather, and steward of Idaho’s future. He reflects on lessons learned from past governors, navigating economic cycles, federal policy, healthcare, education reform, and why Idaho’s approach to governance, fiscal responsibility, and community remains a model for the nation.

This episode covers:

• Idaho economic growth and job creation
• Workforce development, skilled trades, and education
• State budget, taxes, and fiscal responsibility
• Leadership, legacy, and public service
• Family values and the Idaho way of life
• How Idaho is building opportunity for the next generation

A powerful, timely conversation with one of America’s most respected governors on what it takes to lead, protect heritage, and build a thriving future for families, businesses, and communities across Idaho.

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Transcript

Inside The Governor’s Office

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Today on the Ever Rodden Word Podcast, we have a very special guest, my good friend, our governor, Governor Brad Little. And we're coming to you live from his office in the state capitol. Brad uh is our 33rd governor of the great state of Idaho, has been in since 2018, has done an amazing job with so much legislation that helps the families of Idaho. Uh he's become a very close personal friend of mine. I really appreciate him sitting down with us at the start of this legislative session to talk about him, Teresa, our first lady, and what he's expecting out of the session. So today, our governor, Brad Little. Brad, it's pretty cool to be here in your office.

Family, Heritage, And Leadership

SPEAKER_01 0:45

It is. Well, we this you know, we've only got two conference rooms, so uh even though it's a ceremonial office, we do lots and lots of work in here. We had they had a senior staff meeting today, and this is where we meet with let it uh with leadership, and I had a meeting with a legislator today, and we have uh it's we gave up some of our conference space when we remodeled the Capitol because we gave away one of the floors. So this office gets a often used. Which is uh because a lot of times the kids want to come in and see it, and we're it's full of people, and sometimes sometimes we'll be meeting with somebody and they don't necessarily want us the next group, so we have to scoot them out the back door so the other group can't see who's in here. But we do uh I do all my judicial interviews in here, um uh all our appointments. Uh, you know, of course we've got those screens that were a result of COVID, and we do a lot of online meetings here. So I wanted to start. I thought Saturday was just fantastic. It was. It was uh Teresa and I commented afterwards, you know, there's a lot of pretty big personalities there, and uh and neither she nor I heard any complaints. The uh my staff that put that together did a really good job, and we had, you know, a lot of legislators, constitutional officers, um, big and small businesses, and more importantly, we had our family and quite a few of our friends there, and it's nice to have them there.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

So I think as I get older, Brad, I I'm getting more emotional. And there were two things um I wanted to talk to you about. One, I love it because you have your whole family there. And um, as getting to know you as I have over the years and becoming good friends, I think uh I love watching you interact with your grandkids. I think, you know, of all the titles you wear in your life, um, grandpa, grandpa is the top of that list for me. And and watching you love them and interact with them, uh, it was at the top of the escalators and you were helping her down. And I just she would she freaked out.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

And she didn't freak out about much. She's a pretty bold little girl, but she wouldn't ride the escalator. So I says, I I okay, one, two, three, one, no, just take a step. It's easier just to back her down the elevators.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Anyway, I I love that. I love seeing your kids watching them run around, watching them grow. I mean, they're getting older. Yeah, they're they were pretty well behaved.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Um incredibly well behaved, maybe better than they are around the Thanksgiving and the Christmas dinner.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

So they have to be. And then the other thing that was special, I don't know if it hit everyone like it did me, but uh, when you brought all the four um governors on stage uh to hand out the awards at the end, I don't know if people know A, what Dirk's going through right now. Governor Kempthorne is just in the battle for his life with cancer and had been in and out of the hospital a couple times, and he shows up there and and he's on stage. And then Butch, uh, you know, as he gets older and just, you know, him being up there and and Jim and you, I I got I looked up there and when you guys were standing there, I got a little emotional.

Lessons From Past Governors

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Uh yeah, they and then we had them at the state of the state too. We had all three of them at the state of the state. And uh because uh yeah, I I I mean there was and I speak of it often, you know, when we had the big recession in 2009, and Butch had to make some really tough decisions, way uh of uh uh logarithmically bigger uh decisions than we did. But you know, he did something in 2009. We were over in the Borough Post Office, this building was being remodeled, and he brought in all the former governors, two of them Democrats, John Evans and Cecil Andrus, Phil Batt, Dirk Kempthorne, Jim Risch, uh Dirk, and said, What do we do? We've got uh, you know, there's some money available from the feds, particularly for education. Uh, there's some other things. We got this rainy day thing, and it was such an Idaho thing that all of those governors, two of them Democrats, all agreed. Take the federal money if it's just one-time money, and you can do it for necessary things like education, take the rainy day fund and meter it out over three years. And I mean, it was not a very long meeting. It was just the right thing to do, the Idaho thing to do, and that's why we came through the recession as well as we did, because we did build up that rainy day fund and then we used it. It was really raining, and we had uh, you know, all the mortgages being foreclosed and people out of work and unemployment, and and you know, what broke my heart was my friends that said their kids were leaving Idaho uh because there wasn't an opportunity, and that's why it was my big deal was to whatever we do is make it to where our kids want to stay here. Problem is everybody else's kids want to move here.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

So well, we know these things cycle, right? And and it's hard to believe that's almost 20 years ago now.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

We're 2026 now, and we're coming up on the Well, I think there's only four or five people in the legislature. Um uh and then you got uh you got Bedke and myself uh that went through that. So they says, Oh, this is a this is a huge cut. And I say, you don't have a clue what a big cut was.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Yeah, it's it's uh wisdom comes from experience, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

There's a lot of that.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Yeah, if you don't live through a cycle, it's hard to Hey, before we leave that with those guys, um uh I I know the other thing I really appreciate about you is there's a couple things, but but your deep love of Idaho is is just it just oozes from every pore of Brad Little, you are Idaho. And then secondly, heritage, it means a lot to you. Oh, yeah. Well we like leadership, these these guys being there and what you learn from other people, your father. I think, I think that, I mean, I think in the heritage of Idaho, Brad Little and you, that you you stand for that now. And and how is it being around those guys now that you're a kind of the senior statesman for the state?

Statewide Roots And Local Wisdom

SPEAKER_01 6:58

It it's hard to believe because I was a junior junior non-statesman for a long time. Uh, but you know, we were very fortunate, Teresa's family and my family. We go back to 1877, the first ancestor was literally a got a Civil War grant for some land at Genesee, Idaho, and her cousins still farming that same ground. And then I've got family down in the Howe, the uh May and Howe, Idaho area, and then quite a bit of family around here, and then serving in leadership in agriculture, business, education, and those are all statewide uh jobs, so I had a really good opportunity to get around the state and instinctively know the difference between Bonner's Ferry and Franklin, the city of Franklin, and the difference between Franklin, Idaho, the oldest city, and Pierce, the second oldest city, that there's a lot of cultural differences between those two communities. And if you just I I often wonder about people that come in uh and and because you gotta you gotta learn that. You can learn it the easy way, you can learn it the hard way. When you say, Oh, they'll be fine with that. I go, I don't think they'll be fine with that. But uh, but it's uh it's been very valuable to me. And you know, now having had this job for some time, uh, I don't get out, you know, we do those capital for days around the state that are just priceless, where we stand up there from nine o'clock in the morning to three o'clock in the afternoon, take every question from everybody there. And I there's often a lot of things we're doing around state government says, oh yeah, so and so uh in in uh in Priest River or so and so at Moye Springs or so and so. We generally go to the smaller cities, uh, brought that up, and it's it's been a that was actually a tradition that started, I think, with Andres. But Butch was the guy that put it on steroids. He was religious every month, even during the legislature. Uh he had capital for a day, and it's still a but we we suspend capital for a day during the legislature because I never know when some surprise thing's gonna happen here that I need to be here to address.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

So um I'm gonna talk a little. I want to I want to get into the important business of the state right now, but before we leave, um kind of reflection. It's also great to see Teresa. I mean, and you kid about it all the time that you married up, but you did, and she's just wonderful. And um does she know how much everyone appreciates her? She is just so steady and wonderful and kind.

First Lady Teresa’s Quiet Influence

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Well, she is she is all of those things, but she again, uh, you know, her family, um uh they have very strong roots in Idaho, and she's and and she spends the bulk of her time reading. She reads a lot of uh books about Idaho and Idaho history and a lot of so she's the more educated one of the two of us, and and she's always a great sounding board about I don't think you want to do that, or uh if she says I've done a good job, I've no I've done a great job because she doesn't hand out that praise uh very generously, but she's she's got a keen instinct. You know, there's some things in state government she's more attuned to uh than others, but she she does have a good instinct about what's important to the state of Idaho.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Yeah, you guys make an incredible team. Yeah, we're I'm very blessed. Uh going this session, uh they're all they're all different, right? The it's it's interesting because the the people change, economics change, Washington changes, internationally things change, and then you got Idaho here, I believe, is one of the shining examples on the hill on A, how to govern and two how to live life and be an American. And I think you represent that as I mean, I think you are that example. I think everyone points to that. But but as we go into this year, um, what are the pressures you're you're seeing, Phil, in this year?

Budget Pressure And Priorities

SPEAKER_01 11:06

And well, there there's there's budget pressure. It's not uh but a lot of these legislators haven't seen any budget pressure. It's always whatever we're gonna do with our excess, right? Yeah, whatever we're whatever we've been doing, and then we'll but do these extra programs. I think we're only asking for like total state budget, only like six million dollars in enhancements. Uh some of it's for public safety, state police, a little of it's for cyber. We've got some servers that are very, very prone to be hacked, and we got to do that to protect not only the state resources but the public's resources. Uh, but there's very few uh enhancements, but it's because we took the surplus money and repaired our state buildings, roads, water, sewer, all of those things, and we did that so we can kind of put a little bit of a pause on it. You know, our our matter of fact, our revenue uh we just uh put it out uh last night, and our revenue for the month of December was uh really got us caught up for the year. Okay. And uh that was uh matter of fact, uh uh administrator Wolf talked about that at JFAC today, that um you know our revenues back where we expected uh corporate taxes as soon as Congress passed the Great Big Beautiful Bill, the the chief financial officers started reporting their income like it was gonna be fully implemented. So they were taking, which is what a good CFO does. Uh they did that, and some of it is uh gonna be temporary, you know, they're gonna get depreciation early or they're gonna get some other credit early. But as it tails out, then our revenue is gonna normalize, our sales tax is back where we want it. But you know, the most important thing to me is the fact that we got the fastest growing personal incomes. We keep lower the personal income tax rate, but there's more and more people paying. And then the jobs that we're creating in Idaho are all higher paid jobs than what they were before for a lot of reasons. And so people are just they have higher incomes, and when they have higher incomes, they participate in uh in tax revenue, and that's a good reason to continue to lower taxes, but we have to do it in at the same time with our expenses growing, so we don't get ahead of ourselves, and the legislature's gonna have to talk about that now.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Couple of comments. One, boy, Lori Wolfe is sharp. I have just enjoyed getting to know her and watch her do her thing. You gotta be you're she is really, really on top of this.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

And well, Lori was the at Health and Welfare, and she was administering Medicaid. And during COVID, we were having some big wrecks. And uh Dave, the director of health and welfare, we said, we got a problem over here, and we moved Lori over there to fix this problem, and then we moved her over to fix another problem, and as a result, she got a broader view of all the things that are going on in Idaho, and she's just an incredible student. She's got a good staff over there, and and probably the more important thing, she's got a really nice demeanor. Uh, those people, you know, whether it's an agency wanting more money or some legislator that wonders why we're not doing this, uh, she can tell them no in a way that's much more diplomatic than I can.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

I love that. Well, the other thing you just said is, you know, I do think it that's the steady leadership. Think back to 20 years ago what we used to talk about and all the boards you were on of how are we gonna get wages up in Idaho, how are we gonna keep our kids here? And I think, Brad, in your time leading where we sit and how we're ready to face whatever problem comes our way. And you know, there's the the conformity to the big beautiful bill now and what it's gonna change, but we are sitting in a place now where, yeah, you got too many people coming here, maybe, but you got jobs. You look at our median wages, you look at what's happened with education, just kids and and and staying here and and being from Idaho and staying in Idaho, that wasn't a thing 20 years ago. We had so many kids leaving and going away, and they're staying here now. So all those things that I know you talk about at nauseum, which is just how do we keep Idaho kids here and Idaho jobs and and take care of these families, and how do we create an environment that you can make a living, all those things have just been uh just a great success. So, yeah, there's a there's the budget thing, but th those those to your point, these are these are solvable.

Revenues, Taxes, And Wages

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Oh yeah, they're they're they're definitely solvable. I remember I'm a bit of a JFAC nerd. Uh this time of year when JFAC's going on, I I I listen to it or watch it if I'm in here in the office. And I remember uh agencies were complaining that they're having to uh the the competition, they're having to raise wages, and and I go, that's a good thing. That because that means everybody else's wages are going up too. That's right. And when that happens, then you say, well, maybe we can do it, uh do it with a little less people, uh, better people. Uh those those are what those are what business does. If uh if your personnel costs go up, say, how can we help the existing personnel do the same or better job uh with less people around? And and the state's doing a lot of that. I one of the numbers that I we publish a big book every year about turnover rate in every single agency. And so I always watch and see uh, you know, like state police, um, particularly in North Idaho, our state police uh they pay way more than the state of Spokane will hire my state troopers after we do all the training away from us. Uh, there's a little item in the budget this year to try and help that because that's critical for public safety. That we have uh good people out on the roads administering our public safety laws. Um, you know, IT, one of the big things we did, and I started this when Butch was governor, we consolidated all IT because all these little agencies didn't need one good IT guy. Uh I remember when I represented school districts, my Parma school administrator says, Caldwell hired my IT manager away from me. I says, Well, Caldwell's got ten times as many students. Don't you think they maybe they've got a bigger system? Why don't you share with Parma and Homedale and Wilder your IT guy? And uh so, but those problems are problems that if you let the market kind of work the right and and don't have some state law that precludes you from doing that. I think school districts ought to share a lot more of their administrative costs with the smaller districts.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Um I think the budget thing, you're I I was able to listen to the state of the state and look at JFAC this morning, and that's gonna get solved. What are what are the that was a little heated there though. Oh well, it's uh well just different approaches, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Well the problem is they really don't have a lot of options. No. Uh they don't want to raise taxes, they don't want to spend the rainy day fund. Uh, you know, we got to pay for uh we've got to put money into corrections because our corrections population unfortunately is growing. Uh Medicaid, even traditional Medicaid, uh those costs there, and we're doing a lot of work in Medicaid to make them more efficient. Uh that's that's the key component is to make Medicaid more efficient. I told a group this morning one of the things that I, when I go back to Washington and Theresa and I will go back in February with the national governors, I plead with the federal government so that what you do for compliance on food snaps or SNAP is the same compliance, you know, the factors as it is for Medicaid or LIHEAR. Sure. Uh so that I don't have to have a that I don't have to have a compliance officer at Health and Welfare One program and the numbers and how we measure it. I think all those safety net programs ought to be laddered in so that if you're at 160% of the poverty rate and you go out and work harder and go to 180% of the poverty rate, you don't lose benefits. Yeah. Or you lose them a little incrementally at a time. They we don't stifle hardworking families, say, I'll lose my daycare, I'll lose my lie.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

It disincentivizes any upward movement, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Yeah. And people doing the right thing for their families. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

What else is the priority for you this session?

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Well, it'll continue to be. As it always has K-12 and our launch program was two years old. It just uh there's always people talking about that. I I think maybe because it says Brad Little's launch program instead of the Idaho legislature's launch program.

Talent, Retention, And Public Safety

SPEAKER_00 20:15

I gotta tell you, uh in my lifetime, I don't think there's been a more effective thing for hardworking families. When when I've I've talked to a few folks that want to try to attack it because people don't like anything. Some people I think some people, 20% of the people just hate everything. But when you ask them for the hardworking, middle class, grind, grinded out families in Idaho, what's the one thing that has just been this step up to a career? Um, that's it. Uh, I think you know this. We have a nonprofit that focuses on trying to get at-risk kids and kids into the trades. And I'll tell you, I've been out in the streets, I've been in those schools, I've been, and it is, it is a booming success. And you look at the families that it's affecting, it is those families that are oftentimes are probably on the edge and just trying to figure things out. And those kids now have a future. And I think a few years ago when we had the go-on rate, right? That was translated into, I gotta go to college. And and for whatever reason, the messaging, and we tried to not make it that, but this time you're hitting right, right down the middle of the of the plate here. It's just been such a home run for everything because um these are it's the families that need it, it's the kids that need it, it's kids in Idaho, it's Idaho jobs, it's kids with that line of sight. It's just been phenomenal. I just thank you for doing it. I know you I know it's one of the things.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Well, you were a great help when we did it. So I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

It's nice two years out to watch the results. I I I like going along and seeing how many people are applying and then seeing what the results are and how it's affecting our youth in Idaho. Boy, it's been it's been wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Well, you've when I went to college, um I had a lot of my classmates that kind of came from, you know, they're they their parents didn't have a lot of money, they didn't get a academic or athletic scholarship, fill in the blank. But they could go to college and leave without much debt. That has got that that got to be a total runaway. But if you take advanced opportunities, which is where kids can get college credit in high school, you take the opportunity scholarships for college, and you take launch, we've moved the affordability down to the population about where it was when I went to school about who can afford. Because, you know, eight thousand up to eight thousand dollars uh gets a lot of kids through an associate's degree or or you know, full training as a welder or a HVAC technician or fill in the blank. And heaven knows we need. I I think it was interesting that Jensen Young, who runs the most profitable company in America, Nvidia, stated just in the last month or two, we don't need more uh uh EE degrees and engineers. We need more plumbers, welders. Uh uh I I was just out of micron the other day. Oh my goodness. What what do they need out there? Tradesmen. They they need tradesmen, tradesmen, particularly in the HVAC area, electricians, those are the things that are, but that's everywhere. That's uh, you know, I hate to use Micron as an example because they can perhaps afford to pay that, but there's but all their subcontractors and all the small businesses, auto mechanics, uh welders, uh all of those uh places, and particularly in the healthcare area. I was very excited the first year where out of all the kids that applied for launch, one out of ten wanted to be in the healthcare field. Because they can start off as a CNA. I've heard you talk about it before, then get to be a uh the RN and then uh maybe work up to be a physician's assistant, or maybe even go on to be a doctor. But they stay here. Yeah, they stay here. And they stay here.

Smarter Government And Shared Services

SPEAKER_00 24:00

I mean, that's the the magic of it all is if you can get them a line of sight to a job in a community that's already connected to a business, they're odds of staying here and connected to their families. And connected to their families, which which is that full circle. So I I just and it's been your passion all all along. I mean, it was it was how do we keep our kids here, and and then the way you do that through education, creating an economic environment that makes them want to stay.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Well, the only other state that's done it is uh Bill Lee did it, and he's got a similar program, but he calls it the governor's awards. I said, well, if I wanted to kill it, I'd have called it the governor's awards. Uh but but he he has one that really helps uh uh pay for uh CTE training uh in in Tennessee where he's the governor, and it's it's working for him there, and it's I actually think it's probably working better here. The the Workforce Development Council, they're the ones that are what's an in-demand career. They've got a group of people from all over the state and all the industries all over the state, and they say, here's an area where we need more help. So if we can emphasize these trades, you know, the the junior colleges, the community colleges, they need to build capacity. But I'm expecting industry uh to help with that. Uh you know, Micron's uh putting a plot a ton of money into College of Western Idaho for the technicians they need out there. But uh uh Hamdi Ulakaya did it in Twin Falls when he needed uh people to run the very sophisticated plant. Uh but there's a lot of small uh entities, car dealerships. Car dealerships are they the progressive ones were they'd get a kid that was washing cars and servicing if he had the right he or she had the right work ethic, they were paying for their now we're paying for it, but now she is paying for their tools. The tools to be a mechanic cost between ten and twenty thousand dollars. They can't they can't start off as a mechanic uh if they don't have those, they gotta have the training, the technical training, but they also have to have the tools. So that's that's where employers are uh it's there's not enough money in it that it won't work without industry. Uh Jerry Whitehead, that's got Western trailers out there, uh a lot of the equipment that's they use in their CTE program, uh he's he'll order a piece of equipment, they know say, send me two, one for College of Western Idaho so they can train uh people and one for me. And that's taking place all over the state.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

I I just want to add to that because we we noticed that a lot of these kids going into the trades, even by the time they got there, they just didn't have the money to get the tools. So another great Idaho company, DB Supply with Mark Schmidt, uh, we came up with a scholarship program and we put it out there just I think at the end of the year. So we're about three months in, and we've already awarded 65 of these scholarships. And furthermore, I've I've wanted to hear about these kids, and you I've only made a few calls, but you listen to the story and you're like, you're exactly the kid that is inspired to go into a trade, and now we're helping you a little bit. And again, a hand up with Mark and DB and helping helping us get these scholarships, where they're walking in with their tools they need. They think it's cool too, right? I've got tools, I've got a trade, I've got a job. Anyway, I'm I just I share your passion. And that makes them sticky for that company. It makes them sticky for that company, right? Uh anything else for this session?

Medicaid Efficiency And Safety Nets

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Oh no, it'll be there'll be, there's always surprises. Uh it's what one of the things we do around this table a lot is uh, you know, we'll hear a rumor about something that's coming and how do we react or not react. Sometimes they do it just to get me to react. And if I just say whatever, then then they're not as interested in it. If I say, oh, I hate that deal, then they're gonna uh then they're gonna do it for whatever reason. But uh a lot of it is we when we did the state of the state yesterday, Lori laid out the budget plan today. We've fulfilled our constitutional obligation to propose the budget. Now it's how do we work with the legislators and you know the media rightfully, they always like to talk about where there's confrontation. I I signed so many bills in here that are pretty good pieces of legislation that nobody talked about.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

That that are are, you know, whether it's for what we do for sex trafficking, what we do for trying to keep our citizens rates down in crime, uh, what we do in other areas that nobody talks about because they're not that uh controversial. They just like the sizzle, right? Yeah, they like the sizzle.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Well, hey, I uh I I I tell you one thing I know as I get older, people follow people. And uh if Saturday night and yesterday was any indication, uh we love following you. Well, that's very cool. Thank you for your leadership and for the personal sacrifice it is to be to be the guy at the top and and for you and Teresa and your family for decades of service. And I'll follow you anywhere, but it's it's fun.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

I mean, it's uh even uh uh even in this little bit of a challenge that we've got, uh I I kind of enjoy the race. Um I like to I like to end up on top, and for the most part, you know, we get done. Everybody will talk about, oh, you had this problem here, you got this problem. And you take my list of all the things I wanted to do, and we get to the end of the session and say, Well, we did pretty darn good. You know, that's if if it was a baseball batting average, we'd be in the Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Well, thanks, Brad. All right, appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Thanks, Tommy.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Thank you. Thanks, everybody.